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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Dec 22, 2011 3:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 1979 Help!

Aside from the usual suspects, ie Cape Cod, Stanley Theatre, where am I going for my 1979 Phil Bombs, and fresh off the chart versions of Stranger, Althea, and even Shakedown still finding its way. The band feeling reborn I am sure without Keith and Donna trashing hotel rooms and fading in and out of time and space before their eyes. 1980 was another under-rated year, you don't hear much about... Oh, and Rutgers 5-15-81 is a really fine show, excellent long first set and a great easy going Scarlet-Fire...thx.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 22, 2011 7:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

November 29, 1979
Cleveland Public Auditorium

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-29.sbd.miller.95831.sbeok.flac16

Set 1

Alabama Getaway ->
The Promised Land
Candyman
Mama Tried ->
Mexicali Blues
They Love Each Other
New Minglewood Blues
Easy To Love You
Brown Eyed Women
Looks Like Rain ->
Don't Ease Me In

Set 2

Shakedown Street ->
Samson And Delilah
High Time
Estimated Prophet ->
Eyes Of The World ->
Space ->
Drums ->
Black Peter ->
Around And Around ->
Johnny B. Goode

Encore
U.S. Blues

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Dec 23, 2011 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

amen to that Cleveland selection sir

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 22, 2011 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 ...Helped....this eyes will chap your A$$

This eyes is on the all time list.

my only gripe about one of the best tours in dead history is too much alabama & sailor/ saint, new songs at the time just done to death.

Peace

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Dec 25, 2011 10:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 ...Helped....this eyes will chap your A$$

ahhh yes !!! a good old fashioned ass chappin' !!!!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Dec 23, 2011 8:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 ...Helped....this eyes will chap your A$$

Estimated> Eyes transition is superb, though the soul jazz Shakedown is a dark horse pick for show highlight. Really highlights the strengths that Brent brought on a good night. I love this whole show.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Dec 22, 2011 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

11/24/79 is a wonderful show with Phil very high in the mix. Also 11/25/79; can't recall if he's as high in the mix as 11/24, but I think he may be.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 22, 2011 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

This show features a spacey/funky version of Shakedown and a really good Estimated if you are so inclined.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-08-31.sbd.miller.92924.sbeok.flac16

This is a well sung version of Althea,unfortunately you have the horror that is Weir on slide prominent in the mix.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-09.sbd.stern.tetzeli.fix-318.34936.reflac.flac16

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 22, 2011 2:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

I have poured over this tour many many times, at it's height I believe this may be as good as it gets. You can find standout versions of virtually every song.

11-25-79 has my favorite jack straw of all time.

2-3-79
5-5-79


Other fall 79's not to miss;
10-28-79 rider
11-2-79 NFA
11-23-79 sugaree
11-30-79

And my vote for the best dicks picks
12-26-79 is there a better brown eyed women?

1-13-80 has much of the magic that I love about 79

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 22, 2011 3:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

Quite honestly I think any version of Brown Eyed Women pre-hiatus would be superior to 12/26/79,simply not having Brent's maddening ,inappropriate doorbell keyboards,Bob's sad, amateurish slide and Jerry spacing out the lyrics would make for a better version.I am very curious as to what would make you find this awful show to be the best release under the Dick's Pick's banner which included such brilliant performances as 9/21/72,8/74,6/74 etcetera.

The single highlight from 12/26/79 is the FOTD,the rest of show is either average or hacked up,nothing else could even be considered just good,it is all average or hacked and lame,the first jam in Estimated is good but Weir comes in to soon and fucks it up,the UJB,the jam out of Estimated,Brokedown and the UJB reprise all have considerable hacks in them.If I am wrong in any of my analysis,I would welcome a different viewpoint.As far as I am concerned,Dick's Pick's 5 would make for a good coaster.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 22, 2011 6:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

oh hogwash. I've always thought the first disc of DP 5 has some of the most "on" playing I've ever heard from the dead, comparable to DP 18 in set up and quality of performance. It is certainly the best BEW to come out of dicks picks, and likely only gets a run for its money from DP 18's version. I enjoy pre hiatus BEWs but the non-lengthened solo takes much of the muster out of this song, its way better to give it one more measure. But if you cant stand brents keys, that makes it hard to get past. Too bad because it is a fucking awesome BEW.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 22, 2011 7:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

The "solo" you guys are talking about is one minute long and on the version in question he fumble fingers his way through it and coming out sings the wrong verse,the entire song contains timing issues,how could this possibly be the best version of any time span.Is it that he just has to play fast and Phil goes boom= great version,I prefer when they played it with skill and nuance,got the words right,had some proper piano and Bob didn't annoy me with his grating sound and then lame slide,I'll live without a blistering solo on Brown Eyed.

It is astounding that you could consider this first set some of the "most on playing you have ever heard from the Dead".Would you be so kind as to point out where this "on playing" takes place during the set that contained :
Cold Rain
C.C. Rider
Dire Wolf
Me and My Uncle
Big River
Brown Eyed (we already this was a killer,so skip it)
Minglewood
Friend of the Devil
Looks Like Rain
Alabama Getaway
Promised Land

Those 83' versions are way to fast for my liking BD,I feel they just butchered their country catalog in the 80's.

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 23, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

That's probably why we disagree

Early 70's dead, while I listen too it, ihas country twinge for me.
I don't like country music. Do you know at Guantanamo bay they were experimenting with using repetetive music as a form of punishment. The only type if music that would elicit a negative response was country, the prisoners would tell them anything! instead of listening.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 23, 2011 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

I just realized that I had you confused with someone else or I would not have wasted my time responding to your post.I can't see any reason to discuss any kind of music with someone who would say something so ignorant as to not liking an entire genre of music and then comparing it to torture,and you also one time stated that Stella Blue reached it's peak between 82'-84' which is certainly reason enough not to discuss GD music with you.

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 23, 2011 2:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

I agree,

I Love those stella blues from 82-84
Have you listened to 6-26-84?

A classic

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 23, 2011 7:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

I completely agree with jer's assessment of DP5, and especially of BEW. I'll take a BEW from 4/14/72, 4/1/72, 8/24/71, 2/24/74, or 5/25/74 (just to name a few) over any '79 or '83 version 9 times out of 10.

On occasion, I crave the slightly longer solos. However, those solos aren't even that much longer, and they usually come at the price of poor vocals and shitty sounding instruments. I do really enjoy some versions from '77 though such as 11/4, 5/11, 5/25, and 5/8, among some others. They really nailed that song in '77, and you won't find the poor vocals that became more prevalent with each passing year.

The pre-hiatus versions have a beauty to them that was lost with the faster tempo versions, and for me the song worked best in its early years. That being said, 6/24/83, 9/2/83, and 9/8/83 are all amazing for later versions.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 23, 2011 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

thats surprising deniro. I figured you would be siding with me on this one. I think that extra measure is what really does it for me. Sure its only 20 more seconds or w.e, but i sure do enjoy it. Those early BEWs definitely have a stronger country vibe, like jack straw had early on that they lost as the years went on. Though I think J straw and BEW got better with the jam built up.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Dec 23, 2011 10:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

how you dont think that is a really well played version of BEW is beyond me. You've given your reasons, but if thats jerry fumbling through a solo, i wonder what you think of him as a guitarist. W.e, im just grateful to be talking about the dead.

The CRS is killer, MAMU > Big River. Dire wolf. The LLR is pretty solid, I've heard better. Like you said the FOTD is quite nice. Even the bama getaway is good. Promised land. So most of the first set.

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Poster: billydlions Date: Dec 22, 2011 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

I'll take just about any Brown Eyed Women from 1983 over any pre hiatus version. Jerry extends the solos which more than makes up for the drawbacks that you mention. examples would be 10-15-83, 9-2-83, 8-27-83.

As for being the best DPs, I'm in agreement with you although I do like the 2nd set from this show. I've always liked the Shakedown-Uncle encore, and there's some decent jamming on Estimated, typical for 1979.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 22, 2011 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

Gotta agree with 11/24 for the Phil Phactor. He goes Hiroshima during the China/Rider opener.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Dec 23, 2011 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1979 Help!

Hey Capt

Agree that 5-15-81 was a fine show. Since no one else picked on that part of your statement - I figure I'd chime in there. Always enjoyed it.